First let me say that as guildies/friends, I hold no grudges against anyone. I enjoy the HCC atmosphere and I imagine I always will.

As raiders, I'm sorry to say this but it HAS to be said, most of our 10 man raid has no business in a raiding environment. Heroics are ok, but raiding is a different beast and the majority of our raid doesn't quite make the cut. Who are these people?
Well I'll do my best to not name names but I'll give you something to work with.

If you cant break 3.5k dps on a non-gimmick boss fight with the gear that's available to you, I"m sorry, you're not a raider and have no business in 10 man content. No ifs and's or buts about it, 3.5k is VERY generous at this stage in the game.
The reason you have to be at a certain level is due to the rage mechanics of most boss fights that are now end game. Not only that, we're seeing many instances of multitasking where a target has to be burned down and then it's right back to the boss. If you're not making the cut then you're a mana sponge and a wasted raid spot. You may not be the sole reason for not downing content but the low dps IS a factor. In 10 man content everyone has to hold their own or nobody makes any progress.

If you make up your own spec because you think it's 'better' than the cookie cutter specs that everyone from a new 80 to end-game raiding guilds use, there is NO place for you in this raid or any other for that matter. This includes rotations, gemming, enchanting etc etc.
There's a fucking reason they're cookie-cutter specs. Someone could argue that since I don't pay their 15 bucks a month they should be able to spec how they want. Problem is, your 15 bucks does'nt equal squat when it comes to the 135 bucks the other 9 raiders are dishing out. It's no fair to them that you're wasting their time and gold because you think you know better.

If you can't stay out of the fire or use your fucking mic to say I"m spiked or I"m dead or any other number of things that needs to be called out, raiding is not your thing. Go quest, go knock out achievements, go circle-jerk in the middle of Dalaran for all I care, just stay out of the raid.

If you can't make it an entire raid without disconnecting more than 5 times then maybe, just maybe, it's time to find something else to do with your time while the folks with a stable connection raid.

If you don't know your left from your right, up or down or north south east or west, this game isn't for you.

If healing assignments have been given out and your job is to heal ONE target, stay with me here, this might get difficult, heal your ONE god damned target. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. If you are unable to do that to the best of your abilities in any way shape or form you have no business raiding with us.

If you've been asked to download and have certain add-ons up and going by raid time and you don't, then raiding is not for you.
Especially for the folks that have been asked for MONTHS on end to pick up certain add-ons to help their performance.
All I know is that if someone took time out of their day, every fucking day to help gear up, gem and enchant me so I could raid with them, and they asked me to download ONE fucking add-on, I'd do it.

It's not rocket science people and the things mentioned above are very very basic and expected in any PUG on any given day. There's absolutely no reason why our friends/guildies can't be held to pug standards.
A lot of this stuff needed to be said and it should have been said our second week in as a raiding unit, by the 4th week a new roster if people didn't shape up. Instead we're going on 4+ months and I couldn't keep it to myself anymore.

As of now we've lost 1, possibly 2 high caliber players due to our inability to field a semi-competent roster of players, it's getting close to 3.
I've wondered at times if maybe I"m the one that's out of place, I"m the one that doesn't fit in. Maybe it'll come down to me raiding with another guild and everything I said here can be discarded, folks can put their fingers in their ears and pretend everything is all fine in raiding land.

Anyway, /rant off

Everything said in the post above is very true.

That is why i am takeing a week off to figure out how to get some mods that i need i dont want to be that burden that i know i was last week. i also have to figure out how to use them to my full advantage. i am sure you werent looking for any repsonces to this but i know how i failed last week and that being my second time in ICC i think i need to readdress some of my healing flaws. thanks for putting it out there for all of us (mostly me) to see how we fucked up. thanks
Jessy

It was never my intention of calling out a single person with the wide range of complaints that I listed so I hope no one person thinks it's all their fault.

At this point it really goes so much further than just one person but it is a big step in the right direction when someone is willing to take a step back and evaluate their performance. The problems were there long before you started raiding with us in ICC so it's unfortunate that any glaring mistakes that are being made now by new or old raiders are going to be lumped right into the "this shit needs to stop now" category.

I think that as long as you're aware of the things that you know you can do better you're only going to improve.
The fact that you're wanting to get better shows initiative and sadly that's something I think a few of our raiders lack right now.

I agree that when it comes to the raid that everyone needs to listen to the raid leader and do what they tell you to do with no questions unless something may have been left out or missunderstood. With this it is the raid leaders responsibility to make sure they have a plan of attack on the raid based on the compasition and they need to know the fight more then the avage player. how ever that dose not disclude you as the avage player from going to tank spot and learning the fights for youself.

everyone needs to take the time out of their day and look at the fight read outs that have been provided to figure out where they are lacking it should not have to come down to the guild leaders picking through everyones data to check for up times on dps and procs. everyone should be looking at their infromation and saying shit i should have casted this more i did not know it was down that much or something of that sort.

Another thing that has drawn my attition is the lack of willingness to get what you need before raid time starts that means 30 mins prior to raid we should be getting invites and getting to summons not shoping for pots and gems and enchants. i am not trying to toot my own horn but i needed 4 gear upgrades that was pointed out to me 24 hours prior to raid and i was up most of the night and i got them and got my enchants and gems prior to raid. it is not hard now a days to make things like that happen just get off your ass and get to work.

i know everyone for the most part in the guild have a lot of toons and that is fine but we can not take you on every toon you have so pick one that you want to raid with let the raid leader and guild leaders know and we will try to fit it in to the roster but you will be expected to be geared, gemed, enchanted, and speced as required before your considered for the spot.

i know that all this may sound harsh but Bekta is right everyone wants to see the content and not continue wiping on the first or second boss fight. with that being said there is a lot of work we will have to do as a guild to progress and one is get involved and get over any misconseptions you have about "this is my toon i am going to spec and play my way" there my be a few changes you can make to the spec or gear but not until you try the cookie cutter one for at least 3-4 raids and practicing the rotations and paly style to get good with it.

i am first to admit i hate cookie cutter specs and rotations but they are right and tested for months before they are posted. so do everyone a favor and ask resurch and get help from the guild leaders and find out how to make your self more raid ready.

I was going to say a bunch of stuff but it would just be the boring ramblings of an old cow ::chuckles::

Instead, I think I'll just stick with...

I'm sorry you aren't having fun, Bekta.

Hugs,
Monda